Courts & Litigation Executive Branch

Lawfare Daily: The Litigation Challenging Pres. Trump's Alien Enemies Act, with Lee Gelernt

Roger Parloff, Lee Gelernt, Jen Patja
Tuesday, September 16, 2025, 6:59 AM
Discussing the ACLU's recent victory in Fifth Circuit.
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Lee Gelernt, Deputy Director of the ACLU's Immigrants' Rights Project, speaks to Senior Editor Roger Parloff about the cases he has led challenging the validity of Pres. Trump's Alien Enemies Act Proclamation.

They discuss the ACLU's recent victory in the U.S. Court of Appeals for the Fifth Circuit and the status of the group's original case, in Washington, D.C., including its attempt to inquire into whether Executive Branch officials defied court orders. 

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Roger Parloff

Roger Parloff

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Roger Parloff is a journalist based in Washington, D.C. For 12 years, he was the main legal correspondent at Fortune Magazine. His work has also been published in ProPublica, The New York Times, New York, NewYorker.com, Yahoo Finance, Air Mail, IEEE Spectrum, Inside, Legal Affairs, Brill’s Content, and others. An attorney who no longer practices, he is the author of "Triple Jeopardy," a book about an Arizona death penalty case. He is a senior editor at Lawfare.
Lee Gelernt

Lee Gelernt

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Lee Gelernt is a lawyer at the ACLU’s national office in New York. He is the deputy director at the ACLU Immigrants’ Rights Project.
Jen Patja

Jen Patja

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Jen Patja is the editor of the Lawfare Podcast and Rational Security, and serves as Lawfare’s Director of Audience Engagement. Previously, she was Co-Executive Director of Virginia Civics and Deputy Director of the Center for the Constitution at James Madison's Montpelier, where she worked to deepen public understanding of constitutional democracy and inspire meaningful civic participation.
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