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Scaling Laws: A New AI Regulatory Regime? SB 813 with Lauren Wagner and Andrew Freedman

Kevin Frazier, Lauren Wagner, Andrew Freedman
Tuesday, July 29, 2025, 10:30 AM
What is the current regulatory landscape for AI?

In this episode, join Kevin Frazier as he delves into the complex world of AI regulation with experts Lauren Wagner of the Abundance Institute and Andrew Freedman, Chief Strategy Officer at Fathom. As the AI community eagerly awaits the federal government's AI action plan, our guests explore the current regulatory landscape and the challenges of implementing effective governance with bills like SB 813. Innovative approaches are being proposed, including the role of independent verification organizations and the potential for public-private partnerships.

Be sure to check out Fathom's Substack here: https://fathomai.substack.com/subscribe?params=%5Bobject%20Object%5D


Kevin Frazier is a Senior Fellow at the Abundance Institute, Director of the AI Innovation and Law Program at the University of Texas School of Law, a Senior Editor at Lawfare, and a Adjunct Research Fellow at the Cato Institute.
Lauren Wagner is a nonresident fellow at the Abundance Institute.
Andrew Freedman is a co-founder and chief strategic officer at Fathom
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