Cybersecurity & Tech

Scaling Laws: Caleb Withers on the Cybersecurity Frontier in the Age of AI

Kevin Frazier, Caleb Withers
Tuesday, December 2, 2025, 10:00 AM

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Caleb Withers, a researcher at the Center for a New American Security, joins Kevin Frazier, the AI Innovation and Law Fellow at the University of Texas School of Law and a Senior Editor at Lawfare, to discuss how frontier models shift the balance in favor of attackers in cyberspace. The two discuss how labs and governments can take steps to address these asymmetries favoring attackers, and the future of cyber warfare driven by AI agents.Jack Mitchell, a student fellow in the AI Innovation and Law Program at the University of Texas School of Law, provided excellent research assistance on this episode.


Check out Caleb’s recent research here.


Kevin Frazier is an AI Innovation and Law Fellow at UT Austin School of Law and Senior Editor at Lawfare .
Caleb Withers is a research associate for the Technology and National Security Program at the Center for a New American Security.
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