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Scaling Laws: Lt. Gen Jack Shanahan: Defense's AI Integration

Kevin Frazier, Jack Shanahan
Tuesday, July 22, 2025, 10:00 AM
How is AI reshaping military strategies?

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Lt. Gen. (ret) Jack Shanahan joins Kevin Frazier to explore the nuanced landscape of AI in national security. Challenging the prevalent "AI arms race" narrative. The discussion delves into the complexities of AI integration in defense, the cultural shifts required within the Department of Defense, and the critical role of public trust and shared national vision. Tune in to understand how AI is reshaping military strategies and the broader implications for society.


Kevin Frazier is an AI Innovation and Law Fellow at UT Austin School of Law and Senior Editor at Lawfare .
Lieutenant General (re.) Jack Shanahan, served as the inaugural Director of the Department of Defense Joint Artificial Center. He is a senior fellow at the Center for a New American Security.
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