Cybersecurity & Tech

The Cyberlaw Podcast: Debating AI Regulation

Stewart Baker
Tuesday, June 6, 2023, 10:12 AM

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This episode of the Cyberlaw Podcast kicks off with a spirited debate over AI regulation. Mark MacCarthy dismisses AI researchers’ recent call for attention to the existential risks posed by AI; he thinks it’s a sci-fi distraction from the real issues that need regulation—copyright, privacy, fraud, and competition. I’m utterly flummoxed by the determination on the left to insist that existential threats are not worth discussing, at least while other, more immediate regulatory proposals have not been addressed. Mark and I cross swords about whether anything on his list really needs new, AI-specific regulation when Big Content is already pursuing copyright claims in court, the FTC is already primed to look at AI-enabled fraud and monopolization, and privacy harms are still speculative. Paul Rosenzweig reminds us that we are apparently recapitulating a debate being held behind closed doors in the Biden administration. Paul also points to potentially promising research from OpenAI on reducing AI hallucination.

Gus Hurwitz breaks down the week in FTC news. Amazon settled an FTC claim over children’s privacy and another over security failings at Amazon’s Ring doorbell operation. The bigger story is the FTC’s effort to issue a commercial death sentence on Meta’s children’s business for what looks to Gus and me more like a misdemeanor. Meta thinks, with some justice, that the FTC is looking for an excuse to rewrite the 2019 consent decree, something Meta says only a court can do.

 Paul flags a batch of China stories:

Gus tells us that Microsoft has effectively lost a data protection case in Ireland and will face a fine of more than $400 million. I seize the opportunity to plug my upcoming debate with Max Schrems over the Privacy Framework. 

Paul is surprised to find even the State Department rising to the defense of section 702 of Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (“FISA"). 

Gus asks whether automated tip suggestions should be condemned as “dark patterns” and whether the FTC needs to investigate the New York Times’s stubborn refusal to let him cancel his subscription. He also previews California’s impending Journalism Preservation Act.


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Stewart A. Baker is a partner in the Washington office of Steptoe & Johnson LLP. He returned to the firm following 3½ years at the Department of Homeland Security as its first Assistant Secretary for Policy. He earlier served as general counsel of the National Security Agency.

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