The Chatter Podcast: Shane and David Give Thanks

David Priess
Thursday, November 24, 2022, 11:00 AM

Chatter hosts Shane Harris and David Priess review the origin story of the podcast, reflect on some of the most memorable Chatter conversations, and give thanks for the people who have been involved in bringing the Chatter experiment to life. 

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It's been just longer than one year since Shane Harris and David Priess embarked on a voyage of new adventures aboard the S.S. Chatter, seeking out creative conversations on the distant shores of the national security ocean.

And what a journey it's been.

To date, they've hosted more than 50 long-form conversations on topics from spy novels to Olympic security, from surveillance-related art to assassins' poisons, from 9/11 memorialization to ethical space exploration. The only thing more intriguing to Shane and David than the sheer diversity of topics so far has been the experience of digging deep with such a variety of amazing, creative people.

They are, to put it simply, thankful for the opportunity to have hosted such rich exchanges and to share them with so many listeners.

In this episode, Shane and David review the origin story of the podcast, reflect on some of the conversations on Chatter that stand out to them most many months later, give specific shout outs to several of each other's hosted episodes, subject each other to the random curiosity of the "Chatter Box," and preview a few forthcoming discussions to be featured in episodes yet unreleased. The unifying purpose behind it all? To give thanks to everyone involved in this experiment, from the intrepid Cara Shillenn and her wonderful colleagues at Goat Rodeo to the team at Lawfare to the podcast's fascinating guests to its faithful listeners.

Chatter is a production of Lawfare and Goat Rodeo. This episode was produced by Cara Shillenn of Goat Rodeo. Podcast theme by David Priess, featuring music created using Groovepad. See for privacy and opt-out information. 

Among the works mentioned in this episode: A healthy subset of the past year's conversations on Chatter.



David Priess is Director of Intelligence at Bedrock Learning, Inc. and a Senior Fellow at the Michael V. Hayden Center for Intelligence, Policy, and International Security. He served during the Clinton and Bush 43 administrations as a CIA officer and has written two books: “The President’s Book of Secrets,” about the top-secret President’s Daily Brief, and "How To Get Rid of a President," describing the ways American presidents have left office.

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