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ChinaTalk: Kurt Campbell on Grand Strategy and US-China

Jordan Schneider
Wednesday, October 4, 2023, 12:00 PM

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Kurt Campbell is the Deputy Assistant to the President and the White House Coordinator for Indo-Pacific Affairs. ChinaTalk recently joined Campbell in Washington to discuss US-China relations and mark the podcast’s 300th episode.

We discuss:

The nature of national power today;

If China is peaking;

How ideology impacts Beijing’s foreign policy;

Campbell’s hopes and fears for the Biden administration’s Asia policy;

Whether the US is still aiming to “maintain as large of a lead as possible” on chips and AI;

How to think about the risk of and effectively deter military escalation;

And the dark shadow of Tiananmen and its lasting impact on Chinese politics and US foreign policy.

Outtro music: Brahms: Sonata in E flat major for Viola and Piano, Op. 120, No. 2 I. Allegro amabile

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Jordan Schneider is the host of the ChinaTalk podcast and newsletter. He previously worked at Kwai, Bridgewater and the Eurasia Group. His Chinese landscape paintings "show promise."

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