The Lawfare Podcast: Matthieu Aikins on Traveling as an Afghan Refugee

Jen Patja, Bryce Klehm, Matthieu Aikins
Friday, February 25, 2022, 12:00 PM
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Bryce Klehm sat down with Matthieu Aikins, a Canadian journalist and the author of the new book, “The Naked Don't Fear the Water: An Underground Journey with Afghan Refugees.” The book details Matthieu’s undercover journey from Afghanistan to Europe. He made the trip with his translator, Omar, who had been denied a special immigrant visa despite having been a translator for coalition forces in Afghanistan. Following his visa denial, Omar decided to flee as a refugee, and Matthieu decided to join him for the journey. Matthieu and Bryce talked about a range of topics, including Matthieu and Omar's journey and the politics of migration in Europe.

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Jen Patja

Jen Patja

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Jen Patja is the editor of the Lawfare Podcast and Rational Security, and serves as Lawfare’s Director of Audience Engagement. Previously, she was Co-Executive Director of Virginia Civics and Deputy Director of the Center for the Constitution at James Madison's Montpelier, where she worked to deepen public understanding of constitutional democracy and inspire meaningful civic participation.
Bryce Klehm

Bryce Klehm

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Bryce Klehm is a third year law student at the University of Pennsylvania Law School. He is a former associate editor at Lawfare. He is the editor in chief of the University of Pennsylvania Law Review.
Matthieu Aikins

Matthieu Aikins

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Matthieu Aikins is a Canadian journalist and the author of the book, “The Naked Don't Fear the Water: An Underground Journey with Afghan Refugees.”
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