The Lawfare Podcast: Phil Klay on Citizenship in an Age of Endless Invisible War

Jen Patja, Bryce Klehm, Phil Klay
Friday, May 27, 2022, 12:00 PM
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Bryce Klehm sat down recently with Phil Klay, the author of the new book, “Uncertain Ground: Citizenship in an Age of Endless Invisible War.” Klay is a winner of the National Book Award for fiction and a veteran of the war in Iraq. His latest book is a collection of essays from the past ten years that deal with the consequences of America's endless wars. His essays cover a number of topics, ranging from the concept of citizen soldier, to a history of the AR-15. Phil and Bryce talked about a number of themes in the book, including Phil’s experience as a public affairs officer in the Marine Corps, the way that America chooses to exercise its power and the obligations of citizenship.

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Jen Patja

Jen Patja

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Jen Patja is the editor of the Lawfare Podcast and Rational Security, and serves as Lawfare’s Director of Audience Engagement. Previously, she was Co-Executive Director of Virginia Civics and Deputy Director of the Center for the Constitution at James Madison's Montpelier, where she worked to deepen public understanding of constitutional democracy and inspire meaningful civic participation.
Bryce Klehm

Bryce Klehm

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Bryce Klehm is a third year law student at the University of Pennsylvania Law School. He is a former associate editor at Lawfare. He is the editor in chief of the University of Pennsylvania Law Review.
Phil Klay

Phil Klay

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Phil Klay is the author of the book, “Uncertain Ground: Citizenship in an Age of Endless Invisible War.” Klay is a past winner of the National Book Award for fiction and a veteran of the war in Iraq.
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