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Scaling Laws: Rapid Response to the AI Action Plan

Kevin Frazier, Janet Egan, Jessica Brandt, Neil Chilson, Tim Fist
Thursday, July 24, 2025, 5:30 PM
What is in the Trump administration's AI Action Plan?

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Janet Egan, Senior Fellow with the Technology and National Security Program at the Center for a New American Security; Jessica Brandt, Senior Fellow for Technology and National Security at the Council on Foreign Relations; Neil Chilson, Head of AI Policy at Abundance Institute; and Tim Fist, Director of Emerging Technology Policy at the Institute for Progress join Kevin Frazier, the AI Innovation and Law Fellow at the University of Texas School of Law and a Senior Editor at Lawfare for a special version of Scaling Laws.

This episode was recorded just hours after the release of the AI Action Plan. About 180 days ago, President Trump directed his administration to explore ways to achieve AI dominance. His staff has attempted to do just that. This group of AI researchers dives into the plan’s extensive recommendations and explore what may come next.

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Kevin Frazier is an AI Innovation and Law Fellow at UT Austin School of Law and Senior Editor at Lawfare .
Janet Egan is a senior fellow with the Technology and National Security Program at the Center for a New American Security.
Jessica Brandt is a senior fellow for technology and national security at the Council on Foreign Relations. She was previously a fellow at the German Marshall Fund and the Brookings Institution and director of the Foreign Malign Influence Center at the Office of the Director of National Intelligence.
Neil Chilson is the head of AI Policy at Abundance Institute
Tim Fist is the director of Emerging Technology Policy at the Institute for Future Progress and an adjunct senior fellow at the Center for a New American Security.
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