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Stephen Roach is a Yale professor with extensive experience in China. He also taught the first China class I ever took, so it may be fair to say he's partially to blame for the entire ChinaTalk enterprise.

In our conversation (taped on February 23), we discuss:

  • The nexus between US-China relations and the DSM-5 (we need some relationship therapy!);
  • How false narratives strangle effective diplomatic development;
  • What Stephen thinks about the odds of a hot conflict over Taiwan;
  • Practical proposals to improve the bilateral relationship, including what a “US-China Secretariat” (based in neutral Tahiti, obviously) would look like;
  • Is it the US or China — or both — who fundamentally has no interest in engagement?

Click here to listen to ChinaTalk in your favorite podcast app.

Apologies for my audio quality in the second half of the show.

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Jordan Schneider is the host of the ChinaTalk podcast and newsletter. He previously worked at Kwai, Bridgewater and the Eurasia Group. His Chinese landscape paintings "show promise."

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